[mkgmap-dev] one correction of default points style and a suggestion for lines

Fri Dec 3 13:11:07 GMT 2021

Hi Nick

I'd have thought 0x2e07 is better for clothing (maybe both) and 0x2e08
for gardening & home.

Going beyond the lowest common denominator has problems when a device 
defines a group for something you've used differently and has a search
category for it; explicit search by category will throw up obviously
wrong results. I stick to the general 00 subtype unless there seems a
good match to the known/base garmin usage.

I have in my style:
# Uncomment the following lines to enable these extra POI
# that some devices support
shop=convenience [0x2e0e resolution 24]
shop=florist [0x2e0f resolution 24]
shop=gift | shop=art | shop=antiques [0x2e10 resolution 24]
shop=music [0x2e11 resolution 24]
shop=sports [0x2e12 resolution 24]
shop=wine | shop=alcohol [0x2e13 resolution 24]
shop=books [0x2e14 resolution 24]
# to here

Ticker

On Fri, 2021-12-03 at 11:58 +0000, nick wrote:
> Hi Gerd/Ticker
> 
> Can I add the following based on various 'City Navigator Maps'
> 
> 0 X 2E15 CLOTHING STORE , ie PRIMARK/NEXT
> 0 X 2E16 CULT CLOTHING /SHOES
> 0 X 2E17 GARDENING SUPPLIES & DESIGN NURSERY SHOP SELLING LAWN MOWERS
> 0 X 2E18 HOME IMPROVEMENTS B&Q/HOMEBASE
> 0 X 2E19 PHOTOGRAPHIC SUPPLIES
> 0 X 2E1A WORLD FURNITURE
> 0 X 2E1B OPTICIAN
> 
> Depending on device some may not be searchable.
> 
> r
> 
> Nick
> 
> On 03/12/2021 10:41, Ticker Berkin wrote:
> > Hi all
> > 
> > I have no problem with getting rid of tags where there are no usages
> > in
> > OSM.
> > 
> > It is best to use 0x2e00 for other/unknown/etc rather than 0x2e0c
> > which
> > was at the end of the list on old devices and showed as 'other'.
> > My newer device has:
> > 
> > 0x2e0c  Speciality Retail (also 0x2e0a)
> > 0x2e0d  Shopping Center (also 0x2e04)
> > 0x2e0e  Convenience (differs from 0x2e06 which implies fuel)
> > 0x2e0f  Florist
> > 0x2e10  Gift/Antique/Art
> > 0x2e11  Record/CD/Video
> > 0x2e12  Sporting Goods
> > 0x2e13  Wine&Liqour
> > 0x2e14  Book Store
> > 
> > Not sure what would be the best code to use for kiosk
> > 
> > Ticker
> > 
> > On Fri, 2021-12-03 at 09:24 +0000, Gerd Petermann wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > > 
> > > allmost all the rules regarding shop=* were added in 2011 and not
> > > changed since.
> > > A quick check against taginfo shows quite a few rules which make no
> > > sense:
> > > 0 occurences: shop=bakers [0x2e02 resolution 24]
> > > 0 occurences: shop=car_dealer [0x2f07 resolution 24]
> > > Well, they just blow up the style.
> > > 
> > > On the other hand,
> > > shop=kiosk has no special rule allthough it exists +86000 times:
> > > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/shop=kiosk
> > > I guess we should treat it like shop=convenience?
> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ashop%3Dconvenience
> > > 
> > > Other candidates:
> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ashop%3Dmobile_phone
> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ashop%3Dalcohol
> > > 
> > > Is there a special Garmin type for them that matches better than
> > > 0x2e0c which is used in the mop up rule which only catches named
> > > shops?
> > > 
> > > Gerd
> > > 
> > > Gerd
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________
> > > Von: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk> im Auftrag
> > > von Gerd Petermann <gpetermann_muenchen at hotmail.com>
> > > Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Dezember 2021 09:53
> > > An: Development list for mkgmap
> > > Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] one correction of default points style
> > > and    a       suggestion for lines
> > > 
> > > Hi Karl,
> > > 
> > > interesting, taginfo shows 0 occurences for
> > > amenity=emergency_phone:
> > > https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity#values
> > > I guess this was different when the line was added in 2011. See
> > > e.g.
> > > https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/43747775
> > > I would not want to place the rule
> > > emergency=phone [0x2f12 resolution 24 default_name 'Emergency
> > > Phone']
> > > within the block of rules for amenity. Let's simply remove the
> > > wrong
> > > one and add the new after that block.
> > > 
> > > reg. roundabout:
> > > I wonder why you don't want to add the line
> > > junction=roundabout & highway=service [0x07 road_class=0
> > > road_speed=1
> > > resolution 23]
> > > 
> > > Gerd
> > > 
> > > ________________________________________
> > > Von: mkgmap-dev <mkgmap-dev-bounces at lists.mkgmap.org.uk> im Auftrag
> > > von 7770 <7770 at foskan.eu>
> > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Dezember 2021 21:31
> > > An: mkgmap-dev at lists.mkgmap.org.uk
> > > Betreff: [mkgmap-dev] one correction of default points style and
> > > a      suggestion for lines
> > > 
> > > Hi.
> > > 
> > > Some time ago i ran into the mistake of tagging emergecy_phone as
> > > it
> > > is given
> > > in the default example style  ./mkgmap-
> > > r4818/examples/styles/default/points
> > > on line 148:
> > > amenity=emergency_phone [0x2f12 resolution 24 default_name
> > > 'Emergency
> > > Phone']
> > > 
> > > The correct tagging is however:
> > > emergency=phone [0x2f12 resolution 24 default_name 'Emergency
> > > Phone']
> > > 
> > > I have therefor updated this and i am attaching a suggested points
> > > file.
> > > I have done the following:
> > > 1. add a comment on line 148 that the above tagging is incorrect.
> > > 2. the original line is pushed one line down to 149 and commented
> > > out.
> > > 3. a new line 150 is added with the new tagging.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I checked most of Nordic countries and Baltic countries, there were
> > > none
> > > incorrectly tagged emergency phones, i havn't checked the rest of
> > > the
> > > world,
> > > but it seems that mistakes should be rare.
> > > 
> > > If you dont mind and if you feel for it, feel free to add the
> > > changes
> > > into the
> > > default example style.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Secondly i have noted  that in the example lines file
> > > ./mkgmap-r4818/examples/styles/default/lines
> > > on line 123-143, the section about junction=roundabout, it would be
> > > good to
> > > add the following one line on line 143, and push the current line
> > > to
> > > 144.
> > > junction=roundabout & (service=alley | service=driveway) [0x07
> > > road_class=0
> > > road_speed=1 resolution 23]
> > > 
> > > The reason for this suggestion is because of line 198 (or 199 after
> > > the above
> > > addition):
> > > highway=service & (service=alley | service=driveway) [0x07
> > > road_class=0
> > > road_speed=0 resolution 23]
> > > 
> > > The combination of these will make sure that roundabouts and
> > > highways
> > > that are
> > > marked:  highway=service & (service=alley | service=driveway) and
> > > can
> > > be
> > > connected to each other are drawn at the same resolution and with
> > > the
> > > same
> > > 0x07 type.
> > > Otherwise the roundabout is becoming much larger and visible before
> > > the
> > > connecting street/road.
> > > 
> > > I am attaching an updated lines file as well and again if you dont
> > > mind and if
> > > you feel for it, feel free to add the changes into the default
> > > example style.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Regards
> > > Karl
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