[mkgmap-dev] DEM File Format and mkgmap

Thu Dec 7 10:58:30 GMT 2017

Hi Andreas,

thanks for your feedback.

I think that means that DemDisplayr509  works with DEM files produced by Franks program.
Still, it doesn't seem to work with most Garmin files, at least none which have the values coded in feet.
Right now I am looking at a file which works fine for zoom level 0 and almost immediatly causes trouble in zoom
level 1.

Gerd

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Hi Gerd,

checked

  *   Germany
  *   Mallorca
  *   Sweden

without any fault.

Although for now it is some manual work  (produce the DEM-files with Franks program, correct the tdb-file and so on), the results showed up in basecamp (3d) and Oregon600 (hillshading) are  such amazing. I´m really looking forward getting it integrated into the mkgmap-process by you.

Great work!

Andreas

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Hi Andreas,

thanks for that. fixed with r509:
http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/368/display.jar

Gerd

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Hi Gerd,

added http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/detail/367 which cause

C:\Garmin\FAMILY_6371.gmap\Product1>(java -ea -Xmx1000m -cp c:\garmin\bin\display.jar;c:\garmin\bin\mkgmap.jar test.display.DemDisplay 63710081\63710081.DEM 1>63710081\dem_decode.txt )
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ArithmeticException: / by zero
at test.display.DemDisplay$DemSection.decodeBitstreams(DemDisplay.java:862)
at test.display.DemDisplay.readFileHeader(DemDisplay.java:925)
at test.display.DemDisplay.print(DemDisplay.java:882)
at test.display.CommonDisplay.display(CommonDisplay.java:171)
at test.display.CommonDisplay.display(CommonDisplay.java:196)
at test.display.DemDisplay.main(DemDisplay.java:946)

C:\Garmin\FAMILY_6371.gmap\Product1>(java -ea -Xmx1000m -cp c:\garmin\bin\display.jar;c:\garmin\bin\mkgmap.jar test.display.DemDisplay 63710082\63710082.DEM 1>63710082\dem_decode.txt )
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.ArithmeticException: / by zero
at test.display.DemDisplay$DemSection.decodeBitstreams(DemDisplay.java:862)
at test.display.DemDisplay.readFileHeader(DemDisplay.java:925)
at test.display.DemDisplay.print(DemDisplay.java:882)
at test.display.CommonDisplay.display(CommonDisplay.java:171)
at test.display.CommonDisplay.display(CommonDisplay.java:196)
at test.display.DemDisplay.main(DemDisplay.java:946)

regards

Andreas

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OK , with r508 I fixed the problems that showed up in the files from Nick and Andreas, bot were related to the meaning of header info.
I've also changed the program so that it doesn't produce so much output unless option --verbose is given as 1st arg to speed up the error hunt ;-)
See http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/366/display.jar

Unfortunately it still fails to read all Garmin demo files. Obviously the prediction implemented in DemDisplay is not always
in sync with Garmins algo. Maybe this is related to the fact that Garmin maps use values in feet instead of metres.

Gerd

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Hi Gerd

Excellent, will do so more hunting!

Nick

On 05/12/2017 13:27, Gerd Petermann wrote:
> Hi Nick,
>
> yes, that one was special because it contained 4 byte offsets. DemDisplay r507 supports only up to 3 bytes. Fixed soon.
>
> Gerd
>
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> Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] DEM File Format and mkgmap
>
> Gert
>
> I think I may have a dem that causes a problem
>
> http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/364/12345684.zip
>
> C:\Users\Owner\Desktop\mkgmap-r3997>java -cp display.jar;mkgmap.jar test.display
> .DemDisplay 12345684.DEM 1>log12345684.txt
> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.RuntimeException: did not read all avalaibl
> e bytes
> at test.display.DemDisplay$DemTile.decodeBitStreamData(DemDisplay.java:4
> 98)
> at test.display.DemDisplay$DemSection.decodeBitstreams(DemDisplay.java:8
> 02)
> at test.display.DemDisplay.readFileHeader(DemDisplay.java:859)
> at test.display.DemDisplay.print(DemDisplay.java:816)
> at test.display.CommonDisplay.display(CommonDisplay.java:171)
> at test.display.CommonDisplay.display(CommonDisplay.java:196)
> at test.display.DemDisplay.main(DemDisplay.java:875)
>
> It is part of OSM Greece
>
> r
>
> Nick
>
>
> On 05/12/2017 10:17, Gerd Petermann wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've changed my strategy now. I've modified DemDisplay to display the decoded height together with lat/lon. If a new value differs by more than a few meters from the value left or above it is probably wrong. Hope this helps me to find the remaining special cases.
>
> Gerd
>
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>
> Hi Nick,
> yes, I know that.
>
> I've fixed some problem in DemDisplay, so here is r507:
> http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/363/display.jar
>
> It seems I was not clear about my strategy. I am searching for DEM files created by Franks program which display tool cannot parse.
> Please don't post data from Garmin if that doesn't come from free demo maps. I have quite a few DEM files from those demo maps, but
> the problem with that data is that I don't know for sure what values they contain.
> If you find a DEM produced by Franks program which r507 still cannot read I need the options for BuildDEMFile and the *.TRE file so that I can
> reproduce the DEM file and finally trace what values Franks program creates.
> With a bit of luck this will help to fix the problems with the demo data.
>
> Gerd
>
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> Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] DEM File Format and mkgmap
>
> Hi Gerd
>
> I think all the dem files from the very old GBTopo can only be parsed up to a certain point
>
> I've included 3 excmples with tre
>
> http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/362/00145336.zip
>
> Nick
>
> On 04/12/2017 15:02, osm at pinns wrote:
> Hi Gerd
>
> Thanks for letting me know
>
> That is probably why eventually it stopped with repeated plateau len 64 messages on one of the dems builddemfile created
>
> I have some 'old' non nt Garmin Topo maps with dem and will have a go using your display.jar
>
> r
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> On 04/12/2017 13:49, Gerd Petermann wrote:
> Hi Nick,
>
> I just found out that display tool can not yet read DEM tiles with multiple zoom levels. Working on it now...
>
> Gerd
>
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>
> Many thanks Gerd
>
> Will have a go at it today and let you know my findings, if any !
>
> Nick
>
>
> On 04/12/2017 13:27, Gerd Petermann wrote:
> Hi Nick,
>
> My understanding is that the prediction starts with the values from the header (min and max height in the tile)
> The first row is indeed rather easy to decode. Frank has described many more details in his pdf, and his program
> seems to create valid DEM data since Basecamp displays it, I just try to reduce the number of special cases now.
>
> A compiled display.jar r505 is here:
> http://files.mkgmap.org.uk/download/361/display.jar
> If you also download and unzip this mkgmap package http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/download/mkgmap-r3997.zip
> you can run e.g.
> java -cp display.jar;mkgmap-r3997\mkgmap.jar test.display.DemDisplay 12345678.DEM > log.txt
>
> I am interested in those files created by BuildDemFile which create a run time exception. If you find one or more, I need the original *.TRE file(s)
> which were the input for BuildDemFile .
>
> Gerd
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>
> Hi Gerd
>
> Presumably some hgt data gets stored in a tile from which other data is
> predicted? Perhaps the first 'row'?
>
> Would be great if you could compile the DemDisplay.java so we can do
> ome testing as well.
>
> I'm glad you are almost 'getting there'!
>
> r
>
> Nick
>
>
> On 03/12/2017 11:16, Gerd Petermann wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I think I understand now much more about this format. I used Frank Stinners code for BuildDEMFile and his pdf to write a decoder in the display tool.
> I still fails to read some Garmin DEM files but seems to work with the files produced by BuildDEMFile.
> My current work flow is to generate DEM files with BuildDEMFile and read them with my decoder. If the decoder fails I can find out why because I can trace step by step what BuildDEMFile does.
> I guess that I did not yet hit all special cases identified by Frank, but I am making good progress now, so I hope I'll be able to start implementing a DEM encoder in mkgmap soon.
>
> Reg. the format:
> It is quite different to those used in other GARMIN sub files like NOD, NET, RGN etc. In short: The data is organized in tiles, typically 64*64 values. Instead of storing each value
> Garmin uses some statistics to predict the next value based on the already processed values. This predicted value is subtracted from the real value and only the delta is stored.
> The better the prediction, the closer to 0 is the delta. The prediction also calculates the error-probability of the prediction and uses this to select the number of bits which are
> needed to store the value. If the delta is larger than expected the so called BigBin encoding is used.
> The format to store the delta is optimized for values close to 0, so that many deltas are stored with only 1 or 2 bits.
> A 2nd trick to save space is to use run length encoding for repeated values.
> So, the tricky part is to find out exactly how the prediction algo by Garmin works.
> Frank has done really great work here.
>
> For those who want to try the display tool:
> You have to compile on your own and you also need an installed mgkmap.jar.
> If that is available a command like this (replace d:\... with your paths) should produce a large txt file:
> java -ea -Xmx1000m -cp d:\display\dist\display.jar;d:\mkgmap\dist\mkgmap.jar test.display.DemDisplay test.DEM > dem_decode.txt
>
> I am now searching for DEM files produced by BuildDEMFile which are not properly processed by display tool. When it fails you'll see a traceback like this
> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.RuntimeException: did not read all avalaible bytes
> at test.display.DemDisplay$DemTile.decodeBitStreamData(DemDisplay.java:532)
> at test.display.DemDisplay$DemSection.decodeBitstream(DemDisplay.java:831)
> at test.display.DemDisplay.readFileHeader(DemDisplay.java:887)
> at test.display.DemDisplay.print(DemDisplay.java:845)
> at test.display.CommonDisplay.display(CommonDisplay.java:171)
> at test.display.CommonDisplay.display(CommonDisplay.java:196)
> at test.display.DemDisplay.main(DemDisplay.java:903)
>
> Gerd
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