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    Hi Ticker
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    <br>
    Yes, I agree.
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    I added to list more for 'completion' as some of these types have
    not as yet been documented.
    <br>
    <br>
    So far I've not encountered any examples of 2e1d, 2e1e and 2e1f and
    I doubt whether they have been allocated.
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    <br>
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    On 03/12/2021 13:11, Ticker Berkin wrote:
    <br>
    Hi Nick
    <br>
    <br>
    I'd have thought 0x2e07 is better for clothing (maybe both) and
    0x2e08
    <br>
    for gardening & home.
    <br>
    <br>
    Going beyond the lowest common denominator has problems when a
    device
    <br>
    defines a group for something you've used differently and has a
    search
    <br>
    category for it; explicit search by category will throw up obviously
    <br>
    wrong results. I stick to the general 00 subtype unless there seems
    a
    <br>
    good match to the known/base garmin usage.
    <br>
    <br>
    I have in my style:
    <br>
    # Uncomment the following lines to enable these extra POI
    <br>
    # that some devices support
    <br>
    shop=convenience [0x2e0e resolution 24]
    <br>
    shop=florist [0x2e0f resolution 24]
    <br>
    shop=gift | shop=art | shop=antiques [0x2e10 resolution 24]
    <br>
    shop=music [0x2e11 resolution 24]
    <br>
    shop=sports [0x2e12 resolution 24]
    <br>
    shop=wine | shop=alcohol [0x2e13 resolution 24]
    <br>
    shop=books [0x2e14 resolution 24]
    <br>
    # to here
    <br>
    <br>
    Ticker
    <br>
    <br>
    On Fri, 2021-12-03 at 11:58 +0000, nick wrote:
    <br>
    <blockquote type="cite" style="font-size: large; color: #422356;">Hi
      Gerd/Ticker
      <br>
      <br>
      Can I add the following based on various 'City Navigator Maps'
      <br>
      <br>
      0 X 2E15 CLOTHING STORE , ie PRIMARK/NEXT
      <br>
      0 X 2E16 CULT CLOTHING /SHOES
      <br>
      0 X 2E17 GARDENING SUPPLIES & DESIGN NURSERY SHOP SELLING LAWN
      MOWERS
      <br>
      0 X 2E18 HOME IMPROVEMENTS B&Q/HOMEBASE
      <br>
      0 X 2E19 PHOTOGRAPHIC SUPPLIES
      <br>
      0 X 2E1A WORLD FURNITURE
      <br>
      0 X 2E1B OPTICIAN
      <br>
      <br>
      Depending on device some may not be searchable.
      <br>
      <br>
      r
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      <br>
      Nick
      <br>
      <br>
      On 03/12/2021 10:41, Ticker Berkin wrote:
      <br>
      <blockquote type="cite" style="font-size: large; color: #422356;">Hi
        all
        <br>
        <br>
        I have no problem with getting rid of tags where there are no
        usages
        <br>
        in
        <br>
        OSM.
        <br>
        <br>
        It is best to use 0x2e00 for other/unknown/etc rather than
        0x2e0c
        <br>
        which
        <br>
        was at the end of the list on old devices and showed as 'other'.
        <br>
        My newer device has:
        <br>
        <br>
        0x2e0c  Speciality Retail (also 0x2e0a)
        <br>
        0x2e0d  Shopping Center (also 0x2e04)
        <br>
        0x2e0e  Convenience (differs from 0x2e06 which implies fuel)
        <br>
        0x2e0f  Florist
        <br>
        0x2e10  Gift/Antique/Art
        <br>
        0x2e11  Record/CD/Video
        <br>
        0x2e12  Sporting Goods
        <br>
        0x2e13  Wine&Liqour
        <br>
        0x2e14  Book Store
        <br>
        <br>
        Not sure what would be the best code to use for kiosk
        <br>
        <br>
        Ticker
        <br>
        <br>
        On Fri, 2021-12-03 at 09:24 +0000, Gerd Petermann wrote:
        <br>
        <blockquote type="cite" style="font-size: large; color:
          #422356;">Hi all,
          <br>
          <br>
          allmost all the rules regarding shop=* were added in 2011 and
          not
          <br>
          changed since.
          <br>
          A quick check against taginfo shows quite a few rules which
          make no
          <br>
          sense:
          <br>
          0 occurences: shop=bakers [0x2e02 resolution 24]
          <br>
          0 occurences: shop=car_dealer [0x2f07 resolution 24]
          <br>
          Well, they just blow up the style.
          <br>
          <br>
          On the other hand,
          <br>
          shop=kiosk has no special rule allthough it exists +86000
          times:
          <br>
          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
            href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/shop=kiosk">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/shop=kiosk</a>
          <br>
          I guess we should treat it like shop=convenience?
          <br>
          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
            href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ashop%3Dconvenience">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ashop%3Dconvenience</a>
          <br>
          <br>
          Other candidates:
          <br>
          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
            href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ashop%3Dmobile_phone">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ashop%3Dmobile_phone</a>
          <br>
          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
            href="https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ashop%3Dalcohol">https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag%3Ashop%3Dalcohol</a>
          <br>
          <br>
          Is there a special Garmin type for them that matches better
          than
          <br>
          0x2e0c which is used in the mop up rule which only catches
          named
          <br>
          shops?
          <br>
          <br>
          Gerd
          <br>
          <br>
          Gerd
          <br>
          <br>
          ________________________________________
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          im Auftrag
          <br>
          von Gerd Petermann <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
            href="mailto:gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com"><gpetermann_muenchen@hotmail.com></a>
          <br>
          Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Dezember 2021 09:53
          <br>
          An: Development list for mkgmap
          <br>
          Betreff: Re: [mkgmap-dev] one correction of default points
          style
          <br>
          and    a       suggestion for lines
          <br>
          <br>
          Hi Karl,
          <br>
          <br>
          interesting, taginfo shows 0 occurences for
          <br>
          amenity=emergency_phone:
          <br>
          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
            href="https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity#values">https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/amenity#values</a>
          <br>
          I guess this was different when the line was added in 2011.
          See
          <br>
          e.g.
          <br>
          <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
            href="https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/43747775">https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/43747775</a>
          <br>
          I would not want to place the rule
          <br>
          emergency=phone [0x2f12 resolution 24 default_name 'Emergency
          <br>
          Phone']
          <br>
          within the block of rules for amenity. Let's simply remove the
          <br>
          wrong
          <br>
          one and add the new after that block.
          <br>
          <br>
          reg. roundabout:
          <br>
          I wonder why you don't want to add the line
          <br>
          junction=roundabout & highway=service [0x07 road_class=0
          <br>
          road_speed=1
          <br>
          resolution 23]
          <br>
          <br>
          Gerd
          <br>
          <br>
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          im Auftrag
          <br>
          von 7770 <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E"
            href="mailto:7770@foskan.eu"><7770@foskan.eu></a>
          <br>
          Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Dezember 2021 21:31
          <br>
          An: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated moz-txt-link-freetext"
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          Betreff: [mkgmap-dev] one correction of default points style
          and
          <br>
          a      suggestion for lines
          <br>
          <br>
          Hi.
          <br>
          <br>
          Some time ago i ran into the mistake of tagging emergecy_phone
          as
          <br>
          it
          <br>
          is given
          <br>
          in the default example style  ./mkgmap-
          <br>
          r4818/examples/styles/default/points
          <br>
          on line 148:
          <br>
          amenity=emergency_phone [0x2f12 resolution 24 default_name
          <br>
          'Emergency
          <br>
          Phone']
          <br>
          <br>
          The correct tagging is however:
          <br>
          emergency=phone [0x2f12 resolution 24 default_name 'Emergency
          <br>
          Phone']
          <br>
          <br>
          I have therefor updated this and i am attaching a suggested
          points
          <br>
          file.
          <br>
          I have done the following:
          <br>
          1. add a comment on line 148 that the above tagging is
          incorrect.
          <br>
          2. the original line is pushed one line down to 149 and
          commented
          <br>
          out.
          <br>
          3. a new line 150 is added with the new tagging.
          <br>
          <br>
          <br>
          I checked most of Nordic countries and Baltic countries, there
          were
          <br>
          none
          <br>
          incorrectly tagged emergency phones, i havn't checked the rest
          of
          <br>
          the
          <br>
          world,
          <br>
          but it seems that mistakes should be rare.
          <br>
          <br>
          If you dont mind and if you feel for it, feel free to add the
          <br>
          changes
          <br>
          into the
          <br>
          default example style.
          <br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <br>
          <br>
          Secondly i have noted  that in the example lines file
          <br>
          ./mkgmap-r4818/examples/styles/default/lines
          <br>
          on line 123-143, the section about junction=roundabout, it
          would be
          <br>
          good to
          <br>
          add the following one line on line 143, and push the current
          line
          <br>
          to
          <br>
          144.
          <br>
          junction=roundabout & (service=alley | service=driveway)
          [0x07
          <br>
          road_class=0
          <br>
          road_speed=1 resolution 23]
          <br>
          <br>
          The reason for this suggestion is because of line 198 (or 199
          after
          <br>
          the above
          <br>
          addition):
          <br>
          highway=service & (service=alley | service=driveway) [0x07
          <br>
          road_class=0
          <br>
          road_speed=0 resolution 23]
          <br>
          <br>
          The combination of these will make sure that roundabouts and
          <br>
          highways
          <br>
          that are
          <br>
          marked:  highway=service & (service=alley |
          service=driveway) and
          <br>
          can
          <br>
          be
          <br>
          connected to each other are drawn at the same resolution and
          with
          <br>
          the
          <br>
          same
          <br>
          0x07 type.
          <br>
          Otherwise the roundabout is becoming much larger and visible
          before
          <br>
          the
          <br>
          connecting street/road.
          <br>
          <br>
          I am attaching an updated lines file as well and again if you
          dont
          <br>
          mind and if
          <br>
          you feel for it, feel free to add the changes into the default
          <br>
          example style.
          <br>
          <br>
          <br>
          Regards
          <br>
          Karl
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