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    Gerd,<br>
    <br>
    yes, it's a complicated world with these non-rectancular countries,
    can't we change that ? ;-)<br>
    <br>
    I did some tests yesterday playing around with --no-trim and
    --polygon-files with Luxembourge (small enough to do quick tests),
    the result is not that much different if I'm skipping --no-trim or
    use the polygon file, the result ist still 'quite' rectancular, just
    a few bits are really left aside.... but I will have to do more
    tests with other countries (more complicated ones and bigger ones
    than LUX) to see if in my case I could/should skip --no-trim for
    building other maps too.<br>
    <br>
    Regarding your implementation option:<br>
    <ul>
      <li>I would rather prefer not having option 2) implemented for the
        same reason as you mention: it changes the default behaviour for
        everyone. And as we have to say that for (rough guess) 99% of
        the cases the actual behaviour is working that's too much.</li>
      <li>I like option 3). But enabling that by default would possibly
        increase the time used to split as it first has to run through
        the file to see which bounds (bounds tag or calculated one) have
        to be used... but I'm sure you could answer that much better
        than me... ;-)</li>
      <li>Option 1) is possibly the cheapest to implement ? <br>
      </li>
    </ul>
    Thanks Patrik<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 25.03.2016 07:33, Gerd Petermann
      wrote:<br>
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        <p>Hi Patrik,</p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p>good question. I also wondered if splitter can be changed to
          ignore wrong bounds</p>
        <p>tags. My thoughts:<br>
        </p>
        <p>In your case the bbox is far too large, means it claims to
          contain data that is not there.</p>
        <p>The normal case is vice versa: The file contains some nodes
          outside of the bbox,
          <br>
        </p>
        <p>maybe from ferry lines or other long ways, and my
          understanding is that we don't</p>
        <p>want to calculate the tiles based on those few nodes, since
          we might get a map with</p>
        <p>larger empty areas at the "border". No idea if that would
          cause more trouble. <br>
        </p>
        <p>With typical data from geofabrik and the --no-trim option
          there will always be large
          <br>
        </p>
        <p>empty areas as most countries are not rectangular ;-)</p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p>Possible changes in the code:</p>
        <p>1) add a --ignore-osm-bounds option and set the default  to
          false  (means one gets </p>
        <p>the same result like now when he uses the default)<br>
        </p>
        <p>2) add a --use-osm-bounds option and set the default  to
          false</p>
        <p>(means one might get a different result when using the
          default)<br>
        </p>
        <p>3) add code to check how the collected data matches the given
          bounds, <br>
        </p>
        <p>use whatever is smaller. This might also be triggered by an
          option if needed.<br>
        </p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p>I'd like to get some feedback from others first.<br>
        </p>
        <p><br>
        </p>
        <p>Gerd<br>
        </p>
        <br>
        <br>
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              <b>Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 25. März 2016 00:13<br>
              <b>An:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk">mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk</a><br>
              <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [mkgmap-dev] Problem with splitter:
              Failed to find a correct split</font>
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          <div>Gerd,<br>
            <br>
            I couldn't go to sleep without getting to the ground of
            this... <br>
            <br>
            I performed the following tests on linux, always with my
            standard --no-trim present:<br>
            <ul>
              <li>original osm.pbf file downloaded from geofabrik (with
                the problematic bounds tag in it)<br>
                -> FAILURE </li>
              <li>converted with the help of osmconvert to normal osm
                format<br>
                -> FAILURE (which was to be expected, same file, just
                different format) </li>
              <li>deleted the osm tag with a simple command like 'cat
                file.osm | grep -v bounds > file-nobounds.osm' and
                ran splitter against it, always with the same options<br>
                -> SUCCESS </li>
            </ul>
            <p>This leads me to the question why the bounds tag is
              read/used if it also works without and even gives less
              problem ?<br>
            </p>
            <p><br>
              .... sorry for bombarding you (and the list), but I think
              it's nevertheless and interesting question.<br>
            </p>
            <p><br>
              Cheers<br>
              Patrik<br>
            </p>
            <br>
            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24.03.2016 23:51,
              KeenOnKites wrote:<br>
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            <blockquote type="cite">Gerd,<br>
              <br>
              I did dig a bit deeper... also as it rang a bell:<br>
              we had quite a similar problem with the wrong bounding box
              in Alaska already October 2014. It was an illegal value of
              maxlon="180.0005" causing splitter to bail out<br>
              <br>
              When I convert the osm.pbf file with the help of
              osmconvert to osm and look at the first few lines I see a
              'bounds' tag announcing the problematic bounding box (not
              illegal as in 2014, but still 'suboptimal'):<br>
              <blockquote><tt><?xml version='1.0'
                  encoding='UTF-8'?></tt><tt><br>
                </tt><tt><osm version="0.6" generator="osmconvert
                  0.8.2" timestamp="2016-03-23T20:13:02Z"></tt><tt><br>
                </tt><tt>        <bounds minlat="49.8089"
                  minlon="-179.9532" maxlat="73.79794"
                  maxlon="179.9999"/></tt><tt><br>
                </tt><tt>        <node id="27207079" lat="64.7487541"
                  lon="-147.3242821" version="2"
                </tt><tt><br>
                  ...</tt><br>
              </blockquote>
              <br>
              Getting the statistics via osmconvert with
              --out-statistics seems to read through the file and checks
              the 'real' bounding box:<br>
              <blockquote>...<br>
                <tt>lon min: -180.0000000</tt><br>
                <tt>lon max: -122.5122525</tt><br>
                <tt>lat min: 48.6234931</tt><br>
                <tt>lat max: 71.6061501</tt><br>
                ...<br>
              </blockquote>
              <br>
              I'm now wondering if splitter get's confused by the
              existing but obviously strange bounds tag.
              <br>
              <br>
              According to the findings in 2014 splitter can handle
              files without the bounds tag and just gets the real
              boundings from all the elements in the file.<br>
              I did not test to run it through splitter without the
              bounds tag as I'm having troubles converting the file
              properly on my windows... but I'll try that probably
              tomorrow again on linux (sort of late already today).<br>
              The process would be<br>
              <blockquote>osm.pbf -> osm -> get rid of the bounds
                tag -> back to osm.pbf again (to have same source
                file format)<br>
                .... and then run the splitter and see what happens.<br>
              </blockquote>
              But if I have a proper osm file with the 'problematic'
              bounds tag in it, I can also try to reproduce the problem
              with the osm file. If it is reproducible I just drop the
              tag and try it again.<br>
              <br>
              BTW: I've contacted geofabrik already via email<br>
              <br>
              Patrik<br>
              <br>
              <br>
              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24.03.2016 22:27,
                KeenOnKites wrote:<br>
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              <blockquote type="cite">Gerd,<br>
                <br>
                I'll play a bit more with this option and check what
                suits me best.<br>
                <br>
                Again thanks for the incredibly quick answer to my
                problem/question.<br>
                <br>
                Cheers<br>
                Patrik<br>
                <br>
                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24.03.2016 22:20, Gerd
                  Petermann wrote:<br>
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                    <p>Hi Patrik,</p>
                    <p><br>
                    </p>
                    <p>I think the wanted effect of the no-trim option
                      is a rectangular map,</p>
                    <p>which some people prefer, esp. on the PC. <br>
                    </p>
                    <p><br>
                    </p>
                    <p>Gerd<br>
                    </p>
                    <br>
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                          <b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 24. März 2016
                          22:16<br>
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                          <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [mkgmap-dev] Problem with
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                      <div>Gerd,<br>
                        <br>
                        Sorry, your explanations came in during I was
                        writing up the test results ...<br>
                        <br>
                        Think it's all clear so far.<br>
                        <br>
                        As we're creating lot of different maps I'm just
                        wondering if I can/should drop the option
                        --no-trim for all map building or if I would
                        suddenly run into other/new problems...<br>
                        <br>
                        I'll contact geofabrik with the details.<br>
                        <br>
                        Many thanks and happy Easter.<br>
                        Patrik<br>
                        <br>
                        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24.03.2016
                          22:07, Gerd Petermann wrote:<br>
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                            <p>Hi Patrik,</p>
                            <p><br>
                            </p>
                            <p>I don't need the files, I downloaded the
                              alaska file and tried some variants.</p>
                            <p>See also my last post, send a few minutes
                              ago.</p>
                            <p><br>
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                            <p>Gerd<br>
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                                  <b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 24. März
                                  2016 22:03<br>
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                                  <b>Betreff:</b> Re: [mkgmap-dev]
                                  Problem with splitter: Failed to find
                                  a correct split</font>
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                              <div>Gerd,<br>
                                <br>
                                Yes, alaska.osm.pbf is small.<br>
                                <br>
                                It works without --no-trim. And it also
                                works with the polygon file that belongs
                                to alaska.osm.pbf (also downloaded from
                                Geofabrik) which, according to
                                documentation, anyway would disable
                                --no-trim option.<br>
                                <br>
                                Do you still need the resulting
                                densities-out of the failure ? It's
                                about 700 kb... if yes, how should I
                                provide it ? Just attach it here ?<br>
                                <br>
                                You have to excuse my question, I'm not
                                the crack: is this now a problem of the
                                pbf file, or the splitter ? ... or just
                                the way I try to use it ?<br>
                                <br>
                                Thanks already now for your help.<br>
                                Patrik<br>
                                <br>
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                                  24.03.2016 21:14, Gerd Petermann
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                    <p>Ahh, sorry, I just noticed that
                                      the file alaska.osm.pbf is small.</p>
                                    <p>The problem is here is that the
                                      bounding box spans from -180 to
                                      180, <br>
                                    </p>
                                    <p>but this box is most empty. I
                                      have to run splitter now to find
                                      the details.</p>
                                    <p>It works without --no-trim,
                                      probably also with an appropriate
                                      polygon file.</p>
                                    <p>Does that help?</p>
                                    <p><br>
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                                    <p>Gerd<br>
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                                          <b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag,
                                          24. März 2016 21:01<br>
                                          <b>An:</b> Development list
                                          for mkgmap<br>
                                          <b>Betreff:</b> Re:
                                          [mkgmap-dev] Problem with
                                          splitter: Failed to find a
                                          correct split</font>
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                                          <p>Hi Patrik,</p>
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                                          <div style="color:rgb(0,0,0)">please
                                            provide the complete log
                                            from splitter and the
                                            densities-out.txt<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Gerd<br>
                                            <br>
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                                                im Auftrag von
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                                                <b>Gesendet:</b>
                                                Donnerstag, 24. März
                                                2016 20:25<br>
                                                <b>An:</b> Development
                                                list for mkgmap<br>
                                                <b>Betreff:</b>
                                                [mkgmap-dev] Problem
                                                with splitter: Failed to
                                                find a correct split</font>
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                                            <div>Hello together,<br>
                                              <br>
                                              I'm running into a problem
                                              with the splitter (r435
                                              aswell as r427) when
                                              splitting the US_ALASKA
                                              file downloadable from
                                              Geofabrik.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              The exception is:<br>
                                              <blockquote><tt>Warning:
                                                  No solution found for
                                                  partition
                                                  (49.7900390625,-179.9560546875)
                                                  to (73.828125,180.0)
                                                  with 6'702'717 nodes</tt><br>
                                                <tt>uk.me.parabola.splitter.SplitFailedException:
                                                  Failed to find a
                                                  correct split</tt><br>
                                                <tt>        at
uk.me.parabola.splitter.SplittableDensityArea.split(SplittableDensityArea.java:152)</tt><br>
                                                <tt>        at
uk.me.parabola.splitter.SplittableDensityArea.split(SplittableDensityArea.java:196)</tt><br>
                                                <tt>        at
                                                  uk.me.parabola.splitter.Main.calculateAreas(Main.java:645)</tt><br>
                                                <tt>        at
                                                  uk.me.parabola.splitter.Main.split(Main.java:258)</tt><br>
                                                <tt>        at
                                                  uk.me.parabola.splitter.Main.start(Main.java:187)</tt><br>
                                                <tt>        at
                                                  uk.me.parabola.splitter.Main.main(Main.java:157)</tt><br>
                                              </blockquote>
                                              <br>
                                              The complete command line
                                              with the splitter call is:<br>
                                              <blockquote><tt>java
                                                  -Xmx1536M -jar
                                                  D:/fzk/develop/fzk-mde-garmin/Freizeitkarte-Entwicklung/tools/splitter/splitter.jar
                                                  --max-threads=2
--geonames-file=D:/fzk/develop/fzk-mde-garmin/Freizeitkarte-Entwicklung/cities/c</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>ities15000.zip
                                                  --no-trim
                                                  --precomp-sea=D:/fzk/develop/fzk-mde-garmin/Freizeitkarte-Entwicklung/sea
                                                  --keep-complete=true
                                                  --mapid=98200001
                                                  --max-nodes=800000
                                                  --output=xml
                                                  --output-dir=D:/fzk/develop/fzk</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>-mde-garmin/Freizeitkarte-Entwicklung/work/Freizeitkarte_US_ALASKA
D:/fzk/develop/fzk-mde-garmin/Freizeitkarte-Entwicklung/work/Freizeitkarte_US_ALASKA/Freizeitkarte_US_ALASKA.osm.pbf</tt><br>
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                                              <br>
                                              The pbf source file comes
                                              from:<br>
                                              <blockquote><a
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="http://download.geofabrik.de/north-america/us/alaska-latest.osm.pbf"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://download.geofabrik.de/north-america/us/alaska-latest.osm.pbf">http://download.geofabrik.de/north-america/us/alaska-latest.osm.pbf</a></a><br>
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                                              <br>
                                              The osmconvert statistics
                                              about that file is:<br>
                                              <blockquote><tt>PS
                                                  Freizeitkarte-Entwicklung>
                                                  .\tools\osmconvert\windows\osmconvert.exe
                                                  .\work\Freizeitkarte_US_ALASKA\Freizeitkarte_US_ALASKA.osm.pbf
                                                  --out-statistics</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>timestamp min:
                                                  2007-06-05T03:23:59Z</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>timestamp max:
                                                  2016-03-23T05:41:43Z</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>lon min:
                                                  -180.0000000</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>lon max:
                                                  -122.5122525</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>lat min:
                                                  48.6234931</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>lat max:
                                                  71.6061501</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>nodes: 4360214</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>ways: 185550</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>relations: 2245</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>node id min:
                                                  27207079</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>node id max:
                                                  4072166815</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>way id min:
                                                  4708608</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>way id max:
                                                  404980503</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>relation id
                                                  min: 13971</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>relation id
                                                  max: 6033189</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>keyval pairs
                                                  max: 310</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>keyval pairs
                                                  max object: relation
                                                  60189</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>noderefs max:
                                                  2000</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>noderefs max
                                                  object: way 42394334</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>relrefs max:
                                                  681</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>relrefs max
                                                  object: relation
                                                  3337277</tt><tt><br>
                                                </tt><tt>PS
                                                  Freizeitkarte-Entwicklung></tt><br>
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                                              Interesting to mention:<br>
                                              - splitter exception
                                              mentiones a complete
                                              different coverage area
                                              than osmconvert
                                              statistics.<br>
                                              - the area is near -180 /
                                              +180... always
                                              complicated.<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Do I miss something ? All
                                              other pbf's I've tried are
                                              splitting properly without
                                              any problems. Do I need to
                                              change something in the
                                              arguments ? Or is it a
                                              simple problem of the
                                              actual pbf file ?<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Any ideas are very
                                              welcome....<br>
                                              <br>
                                              Cheers<br>
                                              Patrik<br>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
                                              <br>
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