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    okay - sounds great...<br>
    (as new devices do not really mind mkgmap:bicycle=no it does not
    matter so much anymore - I'm only setting pedestrian restrictions
    different to all others for my maps )<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11.08.2015 10:57, Gerd Petermann
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi Felix,<br>
        <br>
        My current approach is to evaluate the results of the style, so
        it is up to the author to decide what<br>
        a pedestrian-only way is. <br>
        Another point is that we don't need the check for ways which
        can't be accessed<br>
        by bike. I am aware that these checks must be ignored when a
        special cycling <br>
        map is created (or any other special map, we just have to find
        out meaningful <br>
        option names)<br>
        <br>
        I am trying to produce test data to find out in what case Garmin
        prefers a small detour,<br>
        this should help to find concrete rules.<br>
        <br>
        Gerd<br>
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          <hr id="stopSpelling">To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk">mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk</a><br>
          From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:extremecarver@gmail.com">extremecarver@gmail.com</a><br>
          Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 10:44:06 +0200<br>
          Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] sharp angles and routing<br>
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          Well - what is a strict pedestrian only way?
          highway=pedestrian - often can be used with bikes too (going
          slower)<br>
          highway=footway -- often still outside cities and used for
          mtbiking though maybe not allowed.<br>
          highway=path &amp;  bicycle=no ---&gt; very often nice mtbike
          trails in countries where mtbiking is mainly forbidden like
          Baden-Wuerttemberg or Austria.<br>
          <br>
          <br>
          And yeah - oneways could be excluded - but needs some care to
          not exclude them (for cycling maps) if oneway:bicycle=no;
          bicycle:oneway=no; oneway:bicycle=both; ( cycleway=* &amp;
          cycleway!=oneway ) would be the most common keys which mean
          cycling against oneway direction is allowed.<br>
          <br>
          For me excluding all ways that get tagged road-class=0 or 1,
          and road-speed=0 could be excluded (but sometimes I use
          continue and double ways so it exists with say road-class=4,
          road-speed=2 as well as road-class=0, road-speed=0 in order to
          get me through sharp turns - if the sharp angle fixing would
          work well - maybe I could drop this).<br>
          <br>
          <div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 11.08.2015 09:52, Gerd
            Petermann wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Hi Felix,<br>
              <br>
              okay, I just try to find some criteria so that we find
              those nodes + arcs which really cause<br>
              trouble. A lot of sharp angles are between oneway roads
              which don't allow traveleling<br>
              the sharp angle. <br>
              I think that also means that I can add code to ignore
              sharp angles on pedestrian-only<br>
              ways.<br>
              <br>
              Gerd<br>
              <br>
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                <hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 09:39:11
                +0200<br>
                From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  href="mailto:extremecarver@gmail.com">extremecarver@gmail.com</a><br>
                To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                  href="mailto:mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk">mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk</a><br>
                Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] sharp angles and routing<br>
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                  <div>Well - not in Pedestrian mode. I meant if you
                    design a map with road-class=4 as preferred way for
                    pedestrians... Then of course using a non pedestrian
                    profile for routing so it chooses road-class=4 or 3
                    preferably. <br>
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                  For Pedestrian mode chosen - there is no time penalty
                  for sharp turns - though I did not test if it would
                  prefer ways that point towards the destination at
                  intersections.<br>
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                  <div class="ecxgmail_quote">On 11 August 2015 at
                    09:30, Gerd Petermann <span dir="ltr">&lt;<a
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                        <div dir="ltr">Hi Felix,<br>
                          <br>
                          please check:<br>
                          you said that sharp angles also have an effect
                          on pedestrian routing,<br>
                          I was not able to reproduce that. Can you give
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                              Gerd<br>
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