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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Hi Felix,<br><br>can't believe that Garmin ignores it, can you prove that with the default style?<br>If not I assume that you create multiple arcs and one allows cycling.<br><br>Gerd<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk<br>From: extremecarver@gmail.com<br>Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 11:31:35 +0200<br>Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] sharp angles and routing<br><br>
okay - sounds great...<br>
(as new devices do not really mind mkgmap:bicycle=no it does not
matter so much anymore - I'm only setting pedestrian restrictions
different to all others for my maps )<br>
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<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 11.08.2015 10:57, Gerd Petermann
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Felix,<br>
<br>
My current approach is to evaluate the results of the style, so
it is up to the author to decide what<br>
a pedestrian-only way is. <br>
Another point is that we don't need the check for ways which
can't be accessed<br>
by bike. I am aware that these checks must be ignored when a
special cycling <br>
map is created (or any other special map, we just have to find
out meaningful <br>
option names)<br>
<br>
I am trying to produce test data to find out in what case Garmin
prefers a small detour,<br>
this should help to find concrete rules.<br>
<br>
Gerd<br>
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From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:extremecarver@gmail.com">extremecarver@gmail.com</a><br>
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2015 10:44:06 +0200<br>
Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] sharp angles and routing<br>
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Well - what is a strict pedestrian only way?
highway=pedestrian - often can be used with bikes too (going
slower)<br>
highway=footway -- often still outside cities and used for
mtbiking though maybe not allowed.<br>
highway=path & bicycle=no ---> very often nice mtbike
trails in countries where mtbiking is mainly forbidden like
Baden-Wuerttemberg or Austria.<br>
<br>
<br>
And yeah - oneways could be excluded - but needs some care to
not exclude them (for cycling maps) if oneway:bicycle=no;
bicycle:oneway=no; oneway:bicycle=both; ( cycleway=* &
cycleway!=oneway ) would be the most common keys which mean
cycling against oneway direction is allowed.<br>
<br>
For me excluding all ways that get tagged road-class=0 or 1,
and road-speed=0 could be excluded (but sometimes I use
continue and double ways so it exists with say road-class=4,
road-speed=2 as well as road-class=0, road-speed=0 in order to
get me through sharp turns - if the sharp angle fixing would
work well - maybe I could drop this).<br>
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<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">On 11.08.2015 09:52, Gerd
Petermann wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Felix,<br>
<br>
okay, I just try to find some criteria so that we find
those nodes + arcs which really cause<br>
trouble. A lot of sharp angles are between oneway roads
which don't allow traveleling<br>
the sharp angle. <br>
I think that also means that I can add code to ignore
sharp angles on pedestrian-only<br>
ways.<br>
<br>
Gerd<br>
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+0200<br>
From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:extremecarver@gmail.com">extremecarver@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk">mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk</a><br>
Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] sharp angles and routing<br>
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<div>Well - not in Pedestrian mode. I meant if you
design a map with road-class=4 as preferred way for
pedestrians... Then of course using a non pedestrian
profile for routing so it chooses road-class=4 or 3
preferably. <br>
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For Pedestrian mode chosen - there is no time penalty
for sharp turns - though I did not test if it would
prefer ways that point towards the destination at
intersections.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Felix,<br>
<br>
please check:<br>
you said that sharp angles also have an effect
on pedestrian routing,<br>
I was not able to reproduce that. Can you give
an example?<span class="ecxHOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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Gerd<br>
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