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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Hi Micha,<br><br>please check if the docu in r3607 is better.<br>Have a look at<br><a href="http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/websvn/diff.php?repname=mkgmap&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fresources%2Fhelp%2Fen%2Foptions&rev=3607&peg=3607" target="_blank">http://www.mkgmap.org.uk/websvn/diff.php?repname=mkgmap&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fresources%2Fhelp%2Fen%2Foptions&rev=3607&peg=3607</a><br><br>Feel free to suggest improvements.<br><br>Gerd<br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 12:04:02 +0200<br>From: micha.lohr@web.de<br>To: mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk<br>Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] process-exits and Oregon 600<br><br>
<font face="Verdana">Hi Gerd</font><br>
yes all fine - we should just update the documentation: I didn't
know 08 and 09 are special and had to find out the hard way...<br>
<br>
Micha<br>
<br>
<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">Am 04.06.2015 um 11:57 schrieb Gerd
Petermann:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Micha,<br>
<br>
okay, same effect: no 0x09 type for the motorway_link.<br>
My understanding is that the types 0x08 and 0x09 are special<br>
as they tell Garmin to use the name of the next road which
doesn't <br>
have 0x08 or 0x09 as the hint.<br>
<br>
So, you need a part of the link that is 0x08/0x09 and<br>
the hint on the next part of the link which is NOT 0x08/0x09.<br>
<br>
That's what the default style does. OK?<br>
<br>
Gerd<br>
<br>
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<hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 11:51:26 +0200<br>
From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:micha.lohr@web.de">micha.lohr@web.de</a><br>
To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk">mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk</a><br>
Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] process-exits and Oregon 600<br>
<br>
Hi Gerd,<br>
in 3602 (which i used) these are lines 118/119.<br>
<br>
I meant changing<br>
<br>
highway=motorway_link [0x09 road_class=3 road_speed=2
resolution 20]<br>
<br>
to<br>
<br>
highway=motorway_link { name 'generic_exit' } [0x02
road_class=3 road_speed=2 resolution 20]<br>
<br>
Micha<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">Am 04.06.2015 um 11:47 schrieb
Gerd Petermann:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:DUB112-W5609AC80D7B8B9CBFCF38D9EB30@phx.gbl">
<div dir="ltr">Hi Micha,<br>
<br>
lines 119 and 120 in lines (r3605) are:<br>
highway=motorway_link & (mkgmap:exit_hint=true |
mkgmap:dest_hint=true) [0x06 road_class=3 road_speed=2
resolution 20]<br>
highway=motorway_link [0x09 road_class=3 road_speed=2
resolution 20]<br>
<br>
If you change line 119 as suggested the rule in line 120<br>
is never triggered, therefore you will not have a type
0x09 for the <br>
motorway_link.<br>
<br>
Gerd<br>
<br>
<br>
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<hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 11:36:01
+0200<br>
From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:micha.lohr@web.de">micha.lohr@web.de</a><br>
To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk">mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk</a><br>
Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] process-exits and Oregon 600<br>
<br>
Hi Gerd,<br>
trying to reproduce the problem with the default style
made things clearer. If you change line 119 in "lines"
to:<br>
<br>
highway=motorway_link { name 'generic_exit' } [0x02
road_class=3 road_speed=2 resolution 20]<br>
<br>
routing hints point to "generic_exit". I did a few more
test, and it seems that there's two ways to get proper
routing:<br>
<br>
1. Make segments 1 & 3 polyline 0x09 (named or not
doesn't matter), and segment 2 any type except 0x08 or
0x09 (didn't test that, taken from the documentation)<br>
2. If segments 1 & 3 are not 0x09 then don't name
them, and again segment 2 any type except 0x08 or 0x09<br>
<br>
Micha<br>
<br>
<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">Am 04.06.2015 um 09:30
schrieb Gerd Petermann:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:DUB112-W26E8BA1485373EB5F76E6E9EB30@phx.gbl">
<div dir="ltr">Hi Micha,<br>
<br>
it's hard to understand without seeing your complete
style.<br>
Maybe you can post a link to it?<br>
If not, please describe in detail how to reproduce
the problem<br>
with the default style and give an example route<br>
that shows what you get with and without the
modification.<br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
Gerd<br>
<br>
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<hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015
09:20:23 +0200<br>
From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:micha.lohr@web.de">micha.lohr@web.de</a><br>
To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk">mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk</a><br>
Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] process-exits and Oregon
600<br>
<br>
Hi Gerd,<br>
my style did (in this order) assign hints to
exits, and at the very end, assign generic names
to all "leftover" unnamed roads. This produced
exits in 3 segments named "GENERIC_NAME",
"EXIT_HINT", "GENERIC_NAME" - so mkgmap worked
just as expected. But: the Oregon now shows
"GENERIC_NAME" during routing, not "EXIT_HINT".
After removing the generic names from the 1st and
the 3rd segment, everything workes fine.<br>
<br>
So I draw two conclusions from this:<br>
<br>
Either: mkgmap simly assigns the exit hints to all
3 segments (do we need 3 segments at all, then?),
though I don't know what else might be influenced
by this<br>
<br>
Or: documentation needs to be updated concerning
the exit_hints<br>
<br>
Micha<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">Am 04.06.2015 um
09:09 schrieb Gerd Petermann:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Hi Micha,<br>
<br>
now I am no longer sure what you are talking
about. You said that your<br>
problem was solved by removing the line <br>
highway=motorway_link & mkgmap:label:1!=*
{ set mkgmap:label:1 = 'Exit' } <br>
from your style. I tried to find out why this
line<br>
causes trouble and found no reason as long<br>
as the line doesn't appear before the blocks
for the hints<br>
which start at line 36 in the default style
file lines of r3605:<br>
(highway=motorway_link | highway=trunk_link)
& mkgmap:exit_hint=true &
mkgmap:dest_hint=true<br>
....<br>
<br>
I don't use the device for testing, I create a
route in MapSource and check<br>
the list of "directions".<br>
<br>
Gerd<br>
<br>
<br>
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<hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Thu, 4 Jun
2015 08:56:37 +0200<br>
From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:micha.lohr@web.de">micha.lohr@web.de</a><br>
To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk">mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk</a><br>
Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev] process-exits and
Oregon 600<br>
<br>
Hi Gerd,<br>
the exits were always named correctly, I
checked that by looking directly into the
img-files. The GPS just wouldn't display the
hint.<br>
<br>
<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">Am
04.06.2015 um 07:19 schrieb Gerd
Petermann:<br>
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<blockquote cite="mid:DUB112-W12955D02BF1E220D9BD2E199EB30@phx.gbl">
<div dir="ltr">Hi Micha,<br>
<br>
I cannot yet reproduce your result. I
tried this:<br>
Add the line<br>
<br>
highway=motorway_link &
mkgmap:label:1!=* { set mkgmap:label:1 =
'Exit' } <br>
<br>
in the default style file at line 65,
before the line<br>
<br>
highway=* {name '${name}' | '${ref}' }<br>
<br>
Execute mkgmap with options --route
--process-exits --process-destinationand
this modified style. <br>
I see the right hint for node 988993419.<br>
<br>
Maybe you placed the line before those
for the exit hint?<br>
In that case it is clear that the exit
hints don't work because those rules <br>
use the name action which has no effect
when mkgmap:label:1 is already set.<br>
<br>
If that doesn't help, please provide
more details.<br>
<br>
Gerd<br>
<br>
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<hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Wed, 3
Jun 2015 18:47:00 +0200<br>
From: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:micha.lohr@web.de">micha.lohr@web.de</a><br>
To: <a class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk">mkgmap-dev@lists.mkgmap.org.uk</a><br>
Subject: Re: [mkgmap-dev]
process-exits and Oregon 600<br>
<br>
Hi Gerd, hi Bernd<br>
it works because the default style
does not name the outer segments
(intentionally?). My style treated
exits pretty much the same way, with
one addition:<br>
<br>
highway=motorway_link &
mkgmap:label:1!=* { set mkgmap:label:1
= 'Exit' }<br>
<br>
Deleting this line and so not naming
the outer segments did the trick. As
far as I can tell, line type does not
make any difference.<br>
<br>
Micha<br>
<br>
<div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">Am
03.06.2015 um 18:29 schrieb GerdP:<br>
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<pre>Hi Michael,
please check how the default style uses the hint. I think it works
fine.
Gerd
michael lohr wrote
</pre>
<blockquote>
<pre>Hi Gerd,
my 1st assumption was that I set the road_speed too high, and the
routing would "jump" overthe 2nd part to the 3rd, 2nd assumption was to
use a different line type - changing both things made no difference.
Am 03.06.2015 um 17:59 schrieb GerdP:
</pre>
<blockquote>
<pre>Hi Michael,
michael lohr wrote
</pre>
<blockquote>
<pre>Finally found the reason: my style assigns generic names to unnamed
roads, so the segments of a motorway_link were named "GENERIC_NAME",
"EXIT_HINT", "GENERIC_NAME". As soon as a name is present on either the
1st or the 3rd segment the Oregon would use this name for routing (btw,
contrary the my previous posts: the Oregon 450 also behaves like that).
Which brings up this question: why not assign the exit_hint to all 3
segments in the first place?
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre>My understanding is that the style should be able to use a different
type (not 0x08 / 0x09) for that small 2nd part, so that Garmin uses
the name of it as a hint.
Gerd
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